'Agent Provocateur' Hal Turner Trained By FBI

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - A New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for allegedly making threats against lawmakers and judges was trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative, his attorney said Tuesday.

Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," defense attorney Michael Orozco said.

"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.

Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.

"But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Orozco said.

Special Agent Ross Rice, a spokesman for the FBI in Chicago, said he would not comment on or even confirm Turner's relationship with the FBI.

Orozco spoke to reporters after a court hearing in Hartford on Tuesday. Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., did not appear, because he is in federal custody in Illinois. His arraignment on the Connecticut charges was rescheduled to Oct. 19.

In June, Turner urged his readers to "take up arms" against Connecticut lawmakers and suggested government officials should "obey the Constitution or die," because he was angry over legislation—later withdrawn—that would have given lay members of Roman Catholic churches more control over their parish's finances.

He wrote in Internet postings the same month that the Illinois federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" because they issued a ruling that upheld ordinances in Chicago and suburban Oak Park banning handguns. He included their photos and the room numbers of their chambers at the courthouse.

Orozco officially joined Turner's defense team in the Connecticut case on Tuesday, with approval from Superior Court Judge David Gold. Orozco said his Newark, N.J.-based firm has been representing Turner for the past five years, including during his FBI informant years.

Turner's Connecticut attorney, Matthew R. Potter, said it's too early to tell which trial will move forward first. Orozco said he plans First Amendment defenses in both cases.

Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Chicago, said the office would not comment on Orozco's statements.

 

By KATIE NELSON
Associated Press Writer

Comments

[Rocker]

This is not surprising. I heard Peter warn the listeners about people like Hal who rabble rouse. Mr. Schaenk went on air to describe in detail how the rhetoric of these indiviuals is attractive to the average WN. So it is easy to infiltrate many WN groups simply by using harsh rhetoric and dropping the F-bomb in conjunction with racial epithets.

Another slam dunk for Mr. Schaenk.

[FreeinTX]

Look, a few days ago, I was reading a post at Infowars.com. In the comments section of the story, I read a simple post that basically said, "go to resist(dot)com." Below that post, in a reply, another reader stated that, "it smells like COINTELPRO." I decided to check it out for myself.

I went to resist.com and found it to be the WHITE ARYAN RESISTENCE (W-A-R) website which is headed up by a guy named TOM METZGER. Looking further, I discovered that TOM METZGER was a popular member of the "white supremesist," group ARYAN NATION and used W-A-R to spread his message of hate.

In the 1960's, Mr. Metzger was a founding member of the John Birch Society, and according to the NY Times attended numberous anti-communist meetings sponsored by Douglas Aircaft, a major defense contractor in California.

In the 1970's he joined the KKK and became the GRAND DRAGON of the State of CAlifornia where his focus was rounding up illegal immigrants at the border. In 1979, he also became involved with Greg Withrow of the ARYAN YOUTH MOVEMENT aka WHITE POWER SKINHEADS.

From 1979 to 1982 he attempted to enter federal politics in California by running for various federal offices including US rep and Senator of Caifornia. After switching parties from republican to democrat, he even won the Democratic Primary for the US House in 1980, but was disavowed from the party and not allowed to run for office as a democrat because of his public beliefs and racist rhetoric.

In 1988, it was Metzger's SON, John Metzger, afflilated at that time with the WHITE POWER SKINHEADS was contacted by Geraldo Rivera, a known shill for the ADL, and asked to come on his show to discuss Metzger's viewpoints with members of the Black Panthers and the ADL. John Metzger went on Geraldo and was a part of the the rukus that ended in Geraldo getting his nose broken by a flying chair. The show was called SKINHEADS BRAWL 1988. No charges were filed on anyone for their "assault" on Geraldo and other guests.

Also in 1988, two members of the WHITE POWER SKINHEADS, were convicted of MURDERING a black man in Oregon that same year, and their conviction led to a SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER and ADL backed civil suit against Tom Metzger, his son, and the WHITE ARYAN RESISTENCE (W-A-R) that ended in a record breaking $12.5 MILLION verdict against W-A-R. The SPLC and the ADL paid TOM METZGER $45,000 to satisfy the State of California's Homestead Act requirement which allowed Metzger to keep some of the proceeds from the sale of his home which was taken to satisfy the verdict.

According to the SPLC and ADL this record breaking, precedent setting verdict, bankrupted Metzger and ended the W-A-R group, however, if you go to Resist.com you can see for yourself that W-A-R still exists and TOM METZGER is still promoting his hate as a part of that group.

After numerous attempts to spout his hate in public venues AND having those public venues removed by his providers in reaction to his hateful rhetoric, TOM METZGER finally recieved a permanant, and current, spot at TURNER RADIO NETWORK, owned and operated by HAL TURNER, in Temecula, California. Until a few days ago, TOM METZGER did his show, "The Insurgent," from his home in Indiana. However, several days ago, June 25th, 2009, Metzger's home was raided by the BATF. The BATF apperantly found NOTHING incriminating, as he was not arrested and no charges have been filed against him to date. This was another article featured at INFOWARS.com.

HAL TURNER, has had the same sort of politically driven, hate based, career as TOM METZGER. HAL TURNER was a New Jersey coordinator to Pat Buchaanan in his 1992 presidential bid. In 2000, Turner sought but failed to recieve the nomination for the Republican Party in the House race for US Congress.

Hal Turner had also established a friendship with SEAN HANNITY, another known shill for the ADL, and was a routine caller on Hannity's ABC radio show. Hannity, during the Obama election, denied knowing Turner, but then reversed that claim, saying instead, that while Hannity did know Turner, Hannity had banned Turner from calling his shows and that Hannity had never supported Turner's views despite allowing Turner to aspouse those views regularly on his show.

In 2005, it was Turner's group along with a group named, "NATIONAL VANGUARD," that responded to the nationally publicized story of a white boy being MURDERED by a black student at Kingston High School. Turners group along with National Vanguard held a, "rally against hate," demonstartion which was labeled by Turner as a "pro-white/anti-hate," rally which supported hate crimes laws espoused by the ADL and SPLC.

Also in 2005, Turner, listed the names and addresses of 3 judges on his website, and openly called for their murder. No criminal actions were taken against Turner at that time. Again in 2006, Turner called for the MURDER of Jaime Vazquez, a Jersey City counsil member and deputy mayor, for his support of illegal immigration protections, and again, no criminal actions were taken against Turner for his incitement of violence. Later in 2006, Turner said that if the voters in the 2006 election did not act now, he would be forced to MURDER several politicians for their positions on illegal immigration, and their intended policies that if implemented, would "destroy our republic." Again, no actions were taken by law enforcement for his incitement to violence.

In April of 2008, Turner again, called for violence against two politicians in Conneticut. However this time, his incitement to commit violence got him arrested earlier this month. Turner was awaiting extradition to Conneticut to answer for these charges, when Turner was rearrested for subsequent calls for violence against federal judges. His rearrest took pplace on June 24, 2009, one day before the raid on Tom Metzger's home in Indiana by the BATF.

Two years before these arrests, the SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER and the ADL both claim that they had PROOF that Hal Turner was working with and was an informant for the FBI, and the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. According to the SPLC and the ADL, the group that achieved a record breaking, precedence setting, verdict against Tom Metzger, insisted that they had proof that HAL TURNER, who provides a public venue for TOM METZGER, who both share an active racist hatered for illegal immigrants, was an informant for the FBI and the federal government.

So, we've got connections betweem the SPLC, the ADL, Geraldo Rivera, Sean Hannity, the NY Times, Ayran Nation, W-A-R, illegal immigrants, border violence, the FBI, and the BATF. Hal Turner, who is intimately linked to Tom Metzger through his radio affiliation, as well as being linked through several "white supremesist" groups, and who shares the same anti-government, anti-illegal immigration viewpoints, gets arrested, and a day later the BATF raids Tom Metzger's home.

Additionally, if you go to the Wikipedia sites for Hal Turner AND Tom Metzget, you will find external links to the SPLC and the ADL who have several articles on Both Hal Turner and Tom Metzger touting their exploits and listing their crimes and affiliations with various hate groups. Without the SPCL and the ADL, these people would be virtually unknown, however, through the promotion of these racists by the SPLC and the ADL, these hatemongers are more popular than ever.

Imagine my suprise when I read a story coming out of the NY Times, about a 2 month old case of border violence involving a racist hate group with "white supremesist" links, where the FBI informant and NY Times interviewee is a guy named Merrill METZGER from Redding, California. If you go to Reddings newpaper and read about the story, you'll find that Merrill Metzger decided to end his affilliation to the hate group that has been accused of committing these murders, 3 months before the murders took place. In those stories you will also find statments made by SPLC's research director, Heidi Beirich, about the Miuteman Project.

"We figured for a long time that we were going to get violence out of this movement," she said.

From a Redding california article entitled, "Actions of border activists highlight severe risk factors."

"Her (Heidi Beirich of the SPLC) organization says the number of hate groups nationwide has risen 54 percent since 2000, fueled by opposition to Hispanic immigration and, more recently, by the election of the first black U.S. president and the economic downturn."

Recognize the rhetoric? From MAIC and the Right-wing Extremist Lexicon, maybe?

Now, I don't know, yet, if Merrill Metzger is associated with TOM Metzger, but what I do know is that the SPLC and the ADL set up, Tom Metzger, his son, and Hal Turner. Made them popular above board and under-ground. Gave them negative press on SPLC and ADL publications, yet gave them public venues on Geraldo Rivera's and Sean Hannity's shows, and gave them venues for political menuvering. They Kept these individuals from getting arrested when they committed OBVIOUS crimes and used them to inform for the FBI and federal government. And when it suited the SPLC and ADL, they took these guys down and used them to make political statements and to set precedents regarding hate speech and hate crimes. All classic cases of COINTELPRO operations.

It makes absolute common sense that the SPLC and the ADL would jump on the chance to infiltrate our Minuteman Project, fill it full of SPLC and ADL patsies like Shawna Forde, who conspire to commit crimes in the name of the Minuteman Project, get busted, and then are used by the media to promote SPLC and ADL anti-hate speech laws, and further SPCL and ADL hate crimes legislation. All right in line with the rhetoric used in the documents the SPLC and the ADL provided to the federal, local, and state law enforecement agencies.

[Bloghog]

His lawyer claims he left the FBI on his own.

Wow. This could go one of many places. We might see a graymail defense, in which the FBI prevents Turner from testifying about what the f**k he was doing, if he indeed was. But the thing is, we know that FBI really hasn't targeted the kind of nutters that Turner incites.

And I do wonder--who Turner is being funded by right now.

[Shanklistener]

I had a conversation with Artie Wheeler on the phone a few days ago regarding Hal. He told me that it was Hal who tipped the feds off about his guns and ammo... which were leagal. Artie Wheeler was raided by the FBI and without a search warrant all his guns, ammo and reloading equipment was confiscated. Hal has turned out to be a traitor... a shame that I once looked up to.

[K-Sensor]

Lets not forget Peter saying this guy was not to be trusted due to his swearing and other building of persona's that are not respected by the general community.

The truth Racial Protection Movement, is respectible and honourable. We don't dress in robes, do mystic religious ceremonies, and want the deaths of others.

[New America]

FreeinTX has what seem to be more than a few errors:

First:"After numerous attempts to spout his hate in public venues AND having those public venues removed by his providers in reaction to his hateful rhetoric, TOM METZGER finally recieved a permanant, and current, spot at TURNER RADIO NETWORK, owned and operated by HAL TURNER, in Temecula, California."

in reply:
No.

Metzger - a man with a sharp eye for people who are not trustworthy - didn't join with "Turner Radio Network," despite what he says were Race Traitor Hal Turner's offers for him to join.

"Turner Radio Network" seems to have been little more than an idea for Race Traitor Hal Turner, run from his residence in New Jersey, and certainly not Temecula, California.

Second: "In 2005, it was Turner's group along with a group named, "NATIONAL VANGUARD," that responded to the nationally publicized story of a white boy being MURDERED by a black student at Kingston High School. Turners group along with National Vanguard held a, "rally against hate," demonstartion which was labeled by Turner as a "pro-white/anti-hate," rally which supported hate crimes laws espoused by the ADL and SPLC."

in reply:
No.

That was the Vanguard News Network, and not a "National Vanguard."

I think the author is confusing the Vanguard News Network with the National Alliance.

Most of the rest reads like something that Mookie Jones would reject as simply preposterous.

Here's what matters:

One, Race Traitor Hal Turner made statements that would get anyone else, at the very least, knocks on the door from Federal agents.

Two, Race Traitor Hal Turner does not seem to have suffered at all from these comments.

Three, as Peter stated on the air, if ANYONE ELSE had made such statements, they would be in Big Trouble with the Authorities.

And now, we know the rest of the story.

Again, the words of VNN's Alex Linder:

"Absolutely no one in this Movement is to be trusted absolutely."

Incidentally, Bloghog made an interesting point:

"His lawyer claims he left the FBI on his own.

Wow. This could go one of many places. We might see a graymail defense, in which the FBI prevents Turner from testifying about what the f**k he was doing, if he indeed was. But the thing is, we know that FBI really hasn't targeted the kind of nutters that Turner incites.

And I do wonder--who Turner is being funded by right now. "

in reply:
The System draws the line at incitement of attacks on the judiciary.

And, "the kind of nutters Turner incites" are, pretty much by definition, more of a threat to themselves than they are to others.

That last sentence seems to be a good definition of about 90% of those who have called themselves "White Nationalists."

Thanks to Peter for his usual astute observations, all characterized by an unusual astuteness, which we need very badly.

[factman]

The John Birch Society has always been heavily controlled and pro-jew.

[Candy]

Not to be argumentative; To the best of my recollection Turner and Metzger were on the same network for a very long time. Metzger has been an associate of Hal's for many years. I remember his show on the network before Hal pulled the plug.

[white nationalist]

http://maxkeiser.com/page/2/

hey peter, check it out. look who got on max keiser the other night.

our little buddy from austin texas, none other than mookie himself.....

my my, isn't that special....

[Rocker]

Who the hell is Max Keiser? I watched the clip of Jones and it held my attention for about two seconds...The Military is taking over the U.S...They're trying to put an end to Posse Comitatus...

Tell me something I haven't heard before. This is crap that we were being warned about back in the '70's. Didn't Bill Cooper talk about this as well as others?

[Bloghog]

Don't forget Jones harping about Dick Cheney. Hey Jones, Dick isn't even in office anymore. Why don't you bust Nixon's balls for awhile. I'm sure you could find something to tie him in to 911.

[Z.O.G.]

Max Keiser is a Jew, so it's no surprise that he is a frequent guest on Mookie Jones' radio show and that Mookie Jones would be a guest on his show as well. ;-)

[white nationalist]

hmmm, looks like the man called zog has been loose on max keiser dot com....:)

the mookie conspiracy will never be safe with zog running around...:)

[white nationalist]

max keiser is some guy who made a name for himself by bashing goldman sucks etc among other things, apparently being free to say what he thinks which pleases the sheep and the goyim who listen to him intently thinking somehow someone ,in the media are on our side, so obviously he nothing but a foil to appease the angry masses.....i tell ya. these jews think of everything.......

its like comrade obama telling a group of rabbi's something to the effect that.....get this.......we are partners with God in life and death. now the question is, why would he say this to a bunch of jews? well obviously he is talking to them about the world to come when they kill useless eaters......remember this. to a jew, we are all just cattle and goats.......so to all of you my friends.....it is time to butch up, buck up and ruck up and get ready to party......or you can go down easy....its up to you.......

[Z.O.G.]

Oh, and Max Keiser is ugly too. :-D

[New America]

It just gets more bizarre by the minute.

The latest Turner claim is on the Turner family blog site.

Apparently - and my brain starts to melt down when I diagram this - Turner is now claiming that he was part of a FBI plan to - God, when you write it out it just boggles the mind - identify Jewish influence in certain organizations.

That's all I'm going to say.

On the other hand, to see a bit more clearly about who and what to believe for Turner, perhaps we could ask Artie Wheeler, his frequent caller and financial supporter.

I'll bet Artie might shed some light on things.

[Z.O.G.]

I would trust Fatboy Mookie Jones more than I would trust Hal Turner. LOL